Friday, May 30, 2008


WILLIAM PFAFF, TRUTHDIG Jonathan Power, the experienced commentator on Third World affairs, has recently drawn attention to [a] case where policies aimed at one result have produced its opposite, this time in Israel. He quotes Edward Luttwak’s argument (last year, in Prospect magazine) that the Middle East since the end of the Cold War has lost its strategic interest for the West. It possesses oil, certainly. But it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it. The American experience in Iraq demonstrates that.

The West, and the United States in particular, has always acknowledged a strategic interest, as well as moral obligation, to defend a Jewish Israel. However, the strategic interest now is absent, and as Power says, there may soon no longer be a Jewish Israel.

Israel’s systematic colonization and annexation of the Palestinian territories over the last 40 years, and equally systematic opposition to the creation of an independent Palestinian state-no longer a serious prospect, as was evident during President’s Bush’s recent visit to Israel-have turned Israel into an Arab-Jewish state under Jewish control.

The Palestinian Authority, realistically speaking, has ceased to exist; it is simply an agent of the Israeli government. Israel’s problem now is how to survive as a religiously divided single state, half-free and half-occupied.

Former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert both warned their people that this would happen. It is why Sharon withdrew from Gaza. But that solved nothing, as the building of colonies continued, and continues.

Israel now finds itself a single amalgamated political entity with a huge Palestinian minority, which before long will become a majority, living in quasi-apartheid conditions. The defense of such a state can scarcely be described as a Western strategic interest.

Defend it against what? No Arab government has any interest in attacking it. The only threat to it is the hypothetical one of Iran’s as-yet-hypothetical nuclear weapons. But why should Iran attack it, as Israel undoes itself as a Jewish state?

It will have serious continuing problems of internal unrest and control, if Hamas and other groups function as domestic resistance movements. But no foreign country can do anything about that, nor would want to.

The Zionist movement, by insisting on keeping possession of Palestine, and the Palestinian population conquered in 1967, has destroyed the Jewish state it was its dream to create. This only now is being recognized.


At May 31, 2008 1:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

More never-ending anti-Semitism.

"No Arab government has any interest in attacking it."

If that was so, then why do they continue to remain in a declared state of war with Israel? Why do they continue to support the Palestinians, even though they've clearly lost the war?

The right-wingers and the religious fundamentalists have done a lot of damage to Israel, just as they have to the U.S. But to suggest that they have "destroyed" Israel is ludicrous, just as it's ludicrous to suggest that the US has been destroyed by the Democrats and Republicans. Both the US and Israel will survive this period.

The Jews have been living on that land for over 3,000 years now. They have survived despite endless attacks against them. Far from being destroyed, they are now the wealthiest they have ever been, have the largest population they've ever had, and have the most military power they've ever had. That is a very strange kind of "destruction". They have never been dependent on outside help for survival, and they are not dependent on it now.

Israel has problems but it will survive, as it always has. It seems to me rather that it is the Palestinians who have destroyed themselves, and who will eventually disappear from the pages of history.

At May 31, 2008 2:40 PM, Blogger Abe Bird said...

That's quite a poor article, written as a Falsetinian legend and not connected to reality at place.
Any way, the Arabs in Palestine have their own state since 1922. Jordan contains about 80% of Palestinian Arabs next to the Bedouin-Saudi Arabs. When the Arab refugees will return to their state in Jordan they will be about 98% of the citizens of their national state.

The very core of the conflict is that Arab Muslims in Palestine don't accept the notion that non-Muslim entity has any right to create it's own "National Home" in the Islamic "Dahr a-Salam" in the ME. Most of the Arabs in Palestine don't recognize the legitimacy of the state of the Jews in Palestine and act for the outside and the inside to change the now-reality by peace steps attached with terror acts (like the Fatah movement) or through terror only (like the Hamas, Islamic Jihad).

The question or I might say the problem for Israel is how to hold the Islamic forces back and not let them achieve success while not making concessions by themselves. Pushing Israel back with out true political and sociological process will bring all partners to huge colossal blast, that Gaza's Hamanistan regime will just be reflecting pure moderation. It is neither the duty nor the obligation of the US to accelerate that process. One has to accept the fact that the so called the "Arab Palestinian" people is not ready for historical acceptance of others as equal and free.

I want to remind all that until 1949 when people said "a Palestinian" every body thought about Jews and the land of Israel. When the European hooligans of the 30th – 40th wanted to persecute Jews they shouted at them "Jews to Palestine. Keep Europe clean". There wasn't any Arab Palestinian people until the middle of the 20th century. Arabs in Palestine were called "Palestinian Arabs" by the British conqueror of the land. The Jews were called "Palestinian Jews". The phrase didn't mean nationality per se but citizenship of the British mandate occupation. The Jewish state started to be built in the 19th century. Israel is not the out come of the holocaust (as many Anti Semitic / Anti Zionist demagogues claim), but rather created in spite of the holocaust!

I might say that "I am tired of your narrative" which ignores the reality in the ME and think from far distance that you have all resolutions for 100 years of conflict. You are quite disconnected as you point out in your 47' UN partition plan's remark. Why the conflict had busted then? Because those Palestinian Arabs rejected the idea that Palestinian Jews should have their own national state.

I'm disappointed to see how you failed to mention that the Arab Palestinian in Palestine already received their national entity to express their own national desires from the British occupier in 1922, while more than half of the Palestinian soil was handed to the Hashemite Saudi Bedouin prince hood to govern the Arab Palestinians in Trans-Jordan. The other small "half" waited to the fulfillment of Balfur declaration which failed to follow.

Hence, therefore, the only justice and stable solution for the "Palestinian problem" is by creating two national states for two peoples and not 3 states (Jordan, Palestine, Israel). Jews and Arabs will be free live where ever they choose. Jews will vote the Knesset in Jerusalem and the Arabs to the Parliament in Aman. This should be the basic for endurable solution to the deep problem

At May 31, 2008 4:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And more neverending AIPAC propaganda.

At May 31, 2008 7:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

445, your shrieks would probably garner a touch more legitimacy were you able to actually provide any material in support of them. As it stands, your constant chant of "AIPAC, AIPAC" on these threads is somewhat reminiscent of a two-year old child peeing on the living room rug for attention. And about as worthy of intelligent discussion.

At June 1, 2008 1:38 AM, Anonymous Never Again! (Unless you are Palestinian) said...

The problem for Israel is how to regain any credibility in the realm of humanity, given the 60 year holocaust it has inflicted on the Palestinians. And while Israel may have destroyed itself morally, despite the willingness to believe the Zionist supremacist lies demonizing the victims of its occupation, I'm sure those still suffering in occupied Palestine would beg to differ with the title of this piece "How Israel Destroyed Itself."

At June 1, 2008 2:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's right 4:45, you bullies just don't like being called out in public, do you? And all you have to respond with is tasteful pee metaphors?

At June 2, 2008 3:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, now. Those bullies could be ADL or JDL shills as well. Only the acronyms differ: the repugnant ugliness remains.

At June 2, 2008 6:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For repugnant ugliness, yours and 258's barely closeted antisemitism would be hard to top.

And yes, 258. I reserve the pee metaphors just for 'people' such as yourself. You deserve nothing better. And I note that you are still unable to provide any material to back up your thesis, which tells me just about what it's worth.

At June 2, 2008 7:18 PM, Anonymous Zionism is Racism said...

Long before the Nabka, some honest, humanitarian Jews warned what the Zionist supremacists had in mind...

At June 3, 2008 2:09 AM, Anonymous USS Liberty said...

Whaddaya know: AIPAC is indeed in town. Not satisfied with having the U.S. occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, it's pitching war on Iran and Syria, in much the same way it cheerled the U.S. into WWIII. Obama, Hillary, and McCain will all be there to explain how they will all defend this parasite of a country (the only one in the Middle East with nuclear weapons, with a 60 year record of crimes against humanity against the Palestinians) against all the enemies it delights in making in the region. Forget the collapsing dollar, U.S. economy, and other domestic problems: I$rael has its hand out for even more favor$ from Uncle $am.

It's time to get serious about peace in the Middle East, and cut off all aid to Israel until it gives up its nuclear weapons, before imagining them in every neighboring country Israel refuses to get along with. The only real threat to the U.S. in the Middle East is that lying parasite Israel, that delights in playing the puppeteer when it comes to getting U.S. soldier killed abroad.

At June 3, 2008 9:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's very simple, 6:04. To hatemongers like you anyone who criticizes the actions of the Israeli government or the insanity of Zionism is by definition an anti-semite.

It's such a shame that you and those like you don't even seem to know the definition of the word semite. If you did, you would realize that since the Palestinians are semites too, one of the biggest propagators of anti-semitism in the world is Israel.

Massacring a thousand Palestinians with tanks and planes and missiles for every Israeli who is killed with rocks or homemade explosive devices makes Israel even more morally bankrupt than their "evil" opponents. The side with the most power has to be the one to back off first or there will never be peace.

At June 3, 2008 2:43 PM, Anonymous boycott Israel said...

Perhaps our friends who support AIPAC are unaware of its handiwork.
"The Case of Sami Al-Arian

The demise of the Rights of Englishmen, the unaccountability of police and prosecutors, the witch-hunt atmosphere created by the “war on terror,” the government’s need to find terrorist suspects in order to maintain the public’s alarm, and the sadistic and bigoted attitudes of many prison guards and even federal prosecutors and judges toward Muslims have resulted in the use of law for persecution. The case of Sami Al-Arian, who was a professor of computer science at the University of South Florida, is a pure example of the use of law as a weapon for persecution.

Most Americans know only the Israeli side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinian side is rarely heard. Even prominent Americans, such as former president Jimmy Carter, who point out that there are two sides to the story, are subjected to demonization and name-calling. Sami Al-Arian was gaining success as a voice for a more even-handed Middle East policy. He spoke to intelligence personnel and military commanders at MacDill Air Force Central Command. He gave interviews. He even invited the FBI to attend meetings where he spoke.

This was too much for the Israeli Lobby, which has enjoyed a total monopoly on the explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the United States. The hysteria following 9/11 created the opportunity to destroy Sami Al-Arian. Alexander Cockburn (CounterPunch, March 3, 2007) reports that “at the direct instigation of Attorney General Ashcroft” trumped-up terrorism and conspiracy charges were leveled at Al-Arian.

The neoconservative media and right-wing talk radio went to work on Al-Arian. Pushed by Gov. Jeb Bush, the university fired him. He was arrested and deemed too dangerous for bail. He was held in solitary confinement for two and a half years while the federal government tried to manufacture some evidence against him. Wikipedia reports that “Amnesty International said Al-Arian’s pre-trial conditions ‘appeared to be gratuitously punitive’ and stated ‘the restrictions imposed on Dr. Al-Arian appeared to go beyond what were necessary on security grounds and were inconsistent with international standards for humane treatment.’”

The government failed to produce any evidence. The jury acquitted Al-Arian on all serious charges and voted 10–2 for acquittal on all other charges. The jury acquitted him despite U.S. District Court judge James Moody’s many biased rulings against Al-Arian.

Knowing that Al-Arian and his family could not stand the strain of solitary confinement for another two and a half years while a new case was prepared, the U.S. Department of Justice announced that it would retry him. His attorney urged him to make a plea in order to end the ordeal.

Al-Arian’s plea is innocuous and bears no relationship to the serious charges on which he was tried. According to Wikipedia, as part of the plea agreement “the government acknowledged that Al-Arian’s activities were non-violent and that there were no victims to the charge in the plea agreement.”

Under the plea agreement, Al-Arian’s sentence amounted essentially to time served, but he was double-crossed by Judge Moody, who according to Alexander Cockburn used “inflamed language about Al-Arian having blood on his hands” (a charge rejected by the jury) and handed down the maximum sentence.

The “terrorist” prosecutors had yet more in store for Al-Arian. In October 2006, federal prosecutor Gordon Kromberg, reportedly “notorious as an Islamophobe,” demanded, in violation of the plea agreement, that Al-Arian testify before a grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, investigating an Islamic research center. According to Wikipedia, “in a verbal agreement that appears in court transcripts, federal prosecutors agreed [as part of the plea agreement] that Al-Arian would not have to testify in Virginia.”

Al-Arian’s lawyers saw Kromberg’s subpoena of their client as a setup, and Al-Arian refused to testify. On January 22, 2007, Al-Arian was brought before a federal judge on contempt charges. He described to the judge the extraordinary abuse he had suffered at the hands of federal prison officials. The guards and officers all felt free to abuse Al-Arian, because they had heard the lie on right-wing talk radio and from neoconservative media that he was a terrorist who hated Americans. The hostile judge sentenced Al-Arian to eighteen months more on a civil contempt charge for refusing to testify about a case that he knew nothing about.

Kromberg contrived to put Al-Arian in a situation in which truthful answers in court under oath could be turned into a perjury charge by offering the defendants reduced charges in exchange for their testimony that Al-Arian was involved with them in some alleged activity and lied under oath. Alternatively, Al-Arian would be cited for civil contempt for refusal to testify. The ease with which Kromberg violated the plea agreement and abused the prosecutorial power in full view of federal judges should give pause to every American.

When a university professor, who has done nothing but try to correct the one-sided story Americans are fed about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can be treated in this way by the U.S. Department of Justice, civil liberty in the United States is in a precarious condition.

The ease with which Al-Arian was transformed into a terrorist should be a lesson to us all. People in charge of Homeland Security are no less inclined than police and prosecutors to make expansive interpretations of their mandate and what constitutes terrorism and suspect behavior. On May 28, 2007, the Associated Press reported that the Alabama Department of Homeland Security had included among terrorist groups listed on its Web site environmentalists, antiwar protesters, abortion opponents, and gay- and animal-rights advocates. It is an ancient practice of government to hype fear in order to gain arbitrary power that can be turned against anyone. Perhaps this expansive definition of terrorist explains the eighty thousand names on the government’s no-fly list.

Another problem with arbitrary and undefined power is that it ends up being exercised by people who tend to receive low marks for good judgment and intelligence. English film director Mike Figgis was held for five hours in an interrogation cell at Los Angeles International Airport because U.S. immigration officers are unfamiliar with the professional language of television show producers and lacked the common sense to avoid a misunderstanding. When asked the reason for his visit, Figgis said: “I’m here to shoot a pilot.” “Shoot,” of course, means to film, and “pilot” is the first episode of a new TV show. The people providing our security concluded that Figgis had voluntarily confessed to a plot to come to America in order to murder an airline pilot. Figgis survived his assumption that people in Los Angeles understood movie talk, but the desire of people empowered to thwart terrorism to use their power is great. Any excuse will do."
Excerpted from The Tyranny of Good Intentions by Paul Craig Roberts and Lawrence M. Stratton Copyright © 2008 by Paul Craig Roberts.

At June 3, 2008 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fine and dandy, but I'd appreciate it if the resident goys here would stop treating the terms "jews", "zionists" and "Aipac" as embodying one and the same entity. And if you say they *are* one and the same, then, yes, you are an anti-semite. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.

At June 3, 2008 5:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

525, a goodly number of these cretinous dickwipes would neither know or care to differentiate, and need to go back to the Stormfront site, where they'd feel right at home.

At June 4, 2008 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to talk about ridiculous conflating lets talk about all the fools who keep disingenously conflating criticism of Zionism, AIPAC, and the Israeli government with ant-semitism. If you have any specific example of the reverse as you charge 5:45, please provide us with it. I've never seen such an example on this site myself except in your imagination.

At June 4, 2008 12:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd suggest your re-reading several of the above posts here, as well as many of the too-numerous postings reflecting the conflation of terms that have appeared here previously on this topic, but let's face it--that's not at all what you're interested in. You're an anti-Semite, you've been called on it, you've been recognized as such, and the best you can come up with by way of refutation is hair-splitting pseudo-argumentation. Forget it, and as I suggested, go back to the Stormfront site, which exisits especially for closet bigots like yourself.

At June 4, 2008 2:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Jewish parents would disagree with you that I'm an anti-semite. Any anti-semitism in my posts or any others in this thread are entirely in your head due to the fallacious conflating descibed above. It's just really sad to see someone so deluded.

At June 12, 2008 7:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your obviously phony claim of Jewish parentage is the saddest stunt you've pulled here yet, 2:00.


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