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May 29, 2009


Moira Herbst, Business Week - Real socialists . . . say if the Obama Administration were establishing a true socialist state, we'd have at least a $15-an-hour minimum wage (instead of the current $6.55 federal minimum) and 30-hour workweeks. Every American would be guaranteed employment and health-care coverage. Oh, and homeless people would be occupying vacant office buildings in cities and vacant McMansions in the suburbs.

In fact, many Americans appear to be confused about what socialism actually is. In a poll of 1,000 adults conducted Apr. 6-7, Rasmussen Reports found that 53% of Americans said they prefer capitalism to socialism, while 20% said they prefer socialism. More than one-quarter, 27%, said they're not sure which system is better. Another poll conducted this month by ConservativeHQ.com found that 70% of self-identified conservatives consider Obama's political philosophy "Socialist" or "Marxist," with 11% calling it "Communist."

Socialists say the policies Obama has pursued are hallmarks of "democratic capitalist" states, not socialist ones. "None of the societies of Western Europe are socialist, but the political influence of their strong Labor, Social Democratic, and Socialist parties make their form of capitalism much more humane than our own," says Frank Llewellyn, national director of the New York-based Democratic Socialists of America , the largest U.S. Socialist party. . .

Socialists say that far from creating a state in which workers rule, the Obama team is instead scrambling to rescue and preserve capitalism.


Anonymous To Whome it may concern said...

There are people at the helm of any government...so the question that matters is never 'What (form) is The State?' The question is always 'WHO is The State?'

Team Obama is exhausting ingenuity in (ultimately futile) attempts to keep *unlimited personal fortunes capitalism* alive.

Fairpay Capitalism would accomplish what socialists want - without the inefficiency and waste of a huge bureaucracy trying to run a command economy.

Money doesn't belong in the hands of a few wealthpower giants who get other-earned wealth via myriad legal thefts in unlimited personal fortunes capitalism, and money doesn't belong in the hands of the State, as in Socialism.

Money belongs in the hands of those who sacrificed their time and energies to doing what creates wealth - to working.

If humans do not fall out of love with the idea of having other-earned money and make the rational choice to have pay justice, which will increase wealth for 99% of people and increase quality of life for 100% of people, the violence pollution caused by pay unjustice will set off the global bombs.

Science can prove that when the globe goes, your locality will not remain.

May 30, 2009 4:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Socialists spent their time building businesses instead of trying to devise ways to spend other people's money for them, there would be full employment, and they could pay their own workers any amount they wished.

May 30, 2009 7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:09, Socialists can build all the businesses they want to, but that does nothing to change the fact that market forces - whether aided by human agency OR NOT - automatically and ceaselessly shift wealth in one direction and work in the opposite direction. And Socialists building businesses does nothing to rid our current economics of its plethora of legal thefts. Your 'solution' is no solution at all. You are not even cognizant of the fact that money ceaselessly drifts from earners to non-earners - you are unaware that there ARE principles of pay justice that tell us where fairpay stops and overpayoverpower begins.

You are, whether you know it or not, championing injustice - which is now at super-duper-extreme levels causing all the violence pollution in this world and holding humanity back from achieving sustainable global happiness.

May 31, 2009 9:17 AM  
Blogger Nick said...

To Whome It may Concern:

Socialism doesn't necessitate state control of the economy.

July 8, 2009 2:33 PM  

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