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September 24, 2009



Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sounds like a good start to bringing some rationality to America. If only the Christian Extremists understood that although they have the right to practice their religion as they wish among themselves, they do not have the right to pass laws imposing their narrow-minded superstitions on the rest of us.


September 25, 2009 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Axel in Montreal said...

High time, and way too slow! Now the next step will be to knock some sense into the fundamentalist atheists, who are often as bigoted, ignorant, and annoying as their opponents.

September 25, 2009 12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There isn't really anything about atheism to be 'fundamentalist' about. It's not a membership organization with a dogma or anything. That term always confused me.

Seems there might be some real estate deals in the next few years. Anybody want to buy a dilapidated church?

September 25, 2009 2:21 PM  
Anonymous just wondering said...

Who has the nerve to ask questions about a strangers beliefs, and what kind of moron sweeps such data into trite generalisations that say more about the commentor than it does about his subject?

September 25, 2009 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Axel in Montreal said...

Anonymous, I didn't say there was an atheist organization (although some atheists organize). It's just that many atheists consider their opposition to religion to be a fundamental position, and many of them are bigoted, ignorant, and annoying avout it. May both camps be rewarded with each other's afterlife.

September 25, 2009 5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As soon as some of the religious fundamentalists can come up with scientific proof that their beliefs mean something concrete in the real world, they can have some respect. Until then, they do not have a right to impose the tenets of their religion on people with who have different religious beliefs. Those who insist on doing so anyway are violating the Constitution.

September 26, 2009 11:21 AM  
Anonymous not laughing said...

Maybe getting arrested and imprisoned at the gates of the School of the America's every year that you're not in jail means nothing to you, budboy, but that's about what your selfrighteous pseudorational crap means to me. When you get ready to put your money where your mouth is, then you can criticise the religious. 'Til then , I recommend reading Frank O'Connor's "Lions, Hart, Leaping Does".

September 26, 2009 8:42 PM  
Anonymous further said...

Sorry, J.F. Powers wrote "Lions, Harts, Leaping Does". Frank O'Connor wrote that antiwar thing where the IRA symps kill some captured British soldiers only to realise too late that people who work for assholes are people too. "Guests of the Nation" is Frank O'Connor's story.

September 26, 2009 9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the hell are you talking about? School of the Americas? What does that have to do with anything? Did you post in the wrong forum or something?

And seriously, Axel, calling atheists bigots because they have vitriol for religion? There is a distinction here that is worth noting: bigots have anger at people for who they are, not what they do. Resisting religious peoples insane ideas about science and politics isn't bigoted.

When atheists start staging rally's with signs like "god hates fags" I'll be inclined to agree with you. But when you use words like 'bigot', I am reminded of the Klan, a fiercly protestant organization.

Can you think of an atheist organization counterpart to the Klan? Or the inquisition? And don't even try using the Nazi's, because they needed good ol' christian anti-semitism to get where they did.

In the real world sometimes people are wrong and their feelings get hurt. It's too bad, but that's how it is.

September 27, 2009 6:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Nazis weren't Christian, at least in the inner circle. They were far more interested in the beliefs of masonic-related secret societies and the arcane abilities those societies allegedly possessed.

September 27, 2009 9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"School of the Americas Watch is an advocacy organization founded by Maryknoll Father Roy Bourgeois and a small group of supporters in 1990 to protest the training of mainly Latin American military officers, by the United States Department of Defense, at the School of the Americas (SOA). Most notably, SOA Watch conducts a vigil each November at the site of the academy, located on the grounds of Fort Benning, a US Army military base near Columbus, Georgia, in protest over myriad alleged abuses committed by graduates of the academy, including murders, rapes and torture and contraventions of the Geneva Accord. Military officials deny the charges, stating that even if graduates commit war crimes after they return to their home country, the school itself should not be held accountable for their actions. Responding to mounting protests spearheaded by SOA Watch,[citation needed] in 2000 the United States Congress renamed the School of the Americas the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), rather than closing the academy. In addition, all students must undergo a minimum of eight hours of class on human rights and the civilian control of the military." wikipedia

The religious have been the footsoldiers of every progressive movement save the labor movement. Lumping them together with the Inquisition is asinine.

September 27, 2009 12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:08, please provide some references for your outrageous claim in that last sentence.

September 29, 2009 10:27 AM  

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